Samsung Q80R vs Q8FN Review (QN55Q80R vs QN55Q8FN, QN65Q80R vs QN65Q8FN, QN75Q80R vs QN75Q8FN)
Samsung Q80R is the second top model of the Samsung’s 2019 4K HDR QLED TV. In the lineup, it sits between the Q90R and Q70R. On the other hand, the Samsung Q8FN is the predecessor, also the second top model of Samsung’s 2018 4K HDR QLED TV that sits between Q9FN and Q7FN. In last year, the Q8FN comes in 4 screen sizes options, which are 55 inches (QN55Q8FN), 65 inches (QN65Q8FN), 75 Inches (QN75Q8FN and the largest is 82 inches (QN82Q8FN). Just like the predecessor, in this year, the Q80R also comes in 4 screen sizes available, which are 55 inches (QN55Q80R), 65 inches (QN65Q80R), 75 inches (QN75Q80R), and 82 inches (QN82Q80R). Meanwhile, with the same screen size (QN55Q80R vs QN55Q8FN, QN65Q80R vs QN65Q8FN, QN75Q80R vs QN75Q8FN, QN82Q80R vs QN82Q8FN), which one is cheaper among them is depending on the screen size. For the 55 inches and 65 inches model, the last year’s Q8FN is precisely priced a more expensive than Q80R.On the contrary, for the 75 inches and 82 inches model, the Q80R has more expensive price than the predecessor Q8FN. So, what are their differences and which one is a better choice?
Samsung Q80R vs Q8FN Key Specs
|Technology and Features||Samsung Q8FN (2018 model)||Samsung Q80R (2019 model)|
|Screen Size Available||55 Inches (QN55Q8FN), 65 Inches (QN65Q8FN), 75 Inches (QN75Q8FN), 82 inches (QN82Q8FN)||55 Inches (QN55Q80R), 65 Inches (QN65Q80R), 75 Inches (QN75Q80R), 82 inches (QN82Q80R)|
|Resolution||4K (3840 x 2160)||4K (3840 x 2160)|
|Panel Technology||VA Panel||VA Panel|
|Backlight Technology||Direct LED||Direct LED|
|Local Dimming Technology||Full Array Local Dimming (Full Array Backlight)||Full Array Local Dimming (Direct Full Array 8x)|
|Ultra Viewing Angle||No||Yes|
|Moth Eyes Technology||Ultra Black Elite||Ultra Black|
|Dimming Technology||Ultimate UHD Dimming||Ultimate UHD Dimming|
|Processor||Q Engine||Quantum Processor 4K|
|HDR Output Index||Q HDR Elite||Quantum HDR 12X|
|HDR Supports||HDR10 (Static), HLG, HDR10+ (Dynamic)||HDR10 (Static), HLG, HDR10+ (Dynamic)|
|Color Technology||Quantum Dot||Quantum Dot|
|Up-Scaling Engine||UHD Up-scaling||4K AI Up-Scaling|
|Motion Technology||Motion Rate 240||Motion Rate 240|
|Native Refresh Rate Panel||120 Hz||120 Hz|
|Variable Refresh Rate||Yes (FreeSync)||Yes (FreeSync)|
|Smart TV Platform||Tizen 2018 with Bixby Voice Assistant||Tizen 2019 with Bixby Voice Assistant|
|Processor||Quad Core||Quad Core|
|Support Google Assistant||Yes (with a software update)||Yes|
|Support Amazon Alexa||Yes (with a software update)||Yes|
|Total Sound Output||40 watts||40 watts|
|HDMI Supports||HDMI 2.0 Full Bandwidth, CEC, HDCP 2.2||HDMI 2.0 Full Bandwidth, CEC, HDCP 2.2|
|Price||See the price on Amazon||See the price on Amazon|
The Main Difference between Samsung Q8FN and Q80R
Both Samsung Q8FN and Q60R may use the same panel technology, which is VA (Vertical Alignment) technology. Furthermore, they both also use direct-LED backlight panel with Full Array Local Dimming. Bu in this case, the local dimming of the Q8FN has around 40 dimming zones while the Q80R successor has around 96 dimming zones. With the number of dimming zones is more than double, expected, the local dimming Q80R is able to perform better than Q8FN, particularly in making the black produced is deeper and minimizing blooming.
The other difference between the Samsung Q80R and Q8FN is about the new optical layer technology called “Ultra Viewing Angle”. As we know, typically, a TV with VA panel technology has poor side viewing angle. For overcoming this issue, Samsung has developed a new layer technology called “Ultra Viewing Angle”. But in this case, the models of their 2019 lineup that already have this technology are only the Q80R and higher models. Meanwhile, the Q8FN doesn’t have this technology. Can be ascertained, this will make the Samsung Q80R has wider side viewing angle coverage than the Q8FN.
Still on their panel, both Samsung Q8FN and Q80R have an anti reflective filter or Moth Eyes technology called Ultra Black. As we see on comparison table above, the Samsung Q8FN has Ultra Black Elite while Q80R have Ultra Black. This technology has a job t absorb or redirect most of the external light that falls on the TV screen. But the difference between them is how the reflection is appeared. On the screen of the Q80R, the reflection is more diffuse while on the screen of the Q8FN, the reflection is more concentrated. But even so, this is more influenced by the “Ultra Viewing Angle” optical layer on the screen of Q80R.
As we see on comparison table above, as their main “brain”, the Samsung Q8FN is powered by Q Engine while the Q80R is powered by Quantum Processor 4K. The main difference between these processors is that the Quantum Processor 4K has AI-generated algorithm and machine learning capabilities, while the Q Engine doesn’t has this feature. This makes Quantum Processor are generated by AI (Artificial Intelligence) such as its up-scaling engine, its intelligent mode like Adaptive Brightness, Adaptive Volume, and Adaptive Sound, and more. And expected, with AI, the features of Q80R can do better job than the Q8FN.
Both Samsung Q80R and Q8FN may run the same smart TV platform, which is Tizen Os or called Smart HUB. But even so, the Q8FN comes with 2018 version while the Q80R comes with 2019 version. At a glance, there are not many changes on their user interface and menu layout. In term of apps provided, there are also not many differences. With default firmware, the 2019 version may already work with Amazon Alexa and Google Assistant while the 2018 is not yet. But with a software update, the 2018 version also has supported Amazon Alexa and Google Assistant. Nevertheless, although at a glance, they look similar, the performance of the 2019 version is faster and more responsive than the 2018 version. If in the 2018 version, the interface is inconsistent, occasionally freezes for few seconds and drops frame intermittently on the animations, on the 2019 version, this issue can be minimized. Furthermore, with AI, the Universal Guide of the 2019 version can also provide more accurate recommendation than the 2018 version.
As we see on comparison table above, as their controller, the Samsung Q8FN is equipped with the TM1850A smart controller while the Q80R is equipped with the TM1950C smart controller. At a glance, they look similar with a plastic material and black in color. Additionally, their button layout also looks similar. But even so, on the TM1950C, there are 3 additional dedicated buttons for Amazon Promo, Netflix, and Hulu. This allows you to launch these apps without entering the menu. Furthermore, the TM1950C may still keep the microphone button we found on the TM1850A version, but the TM1950C now has a far-field voice capability, allows you to use the Samsung’s Bixby without pressing and holding the microphone buttons.
Samsung Q80R and Q8FN Performance
Black Level and Contrast
The use of “Ultra Viewing Angle” optical layer may make the Samsung Q80R has better side viewing angle, but on the other hand, this makes its native contrast ratio is not as high as the Q8FN. Its native contrast ratio is only about 3500:1. This certainly is relatively low in comparison with most VA TVs. Fortunately, it has full array local dimming that is very effective to boost its contrast ratio significantly up to about 5500:1. The result, the deepest black produced by the Q80R is still very deep which is around 0.018 nits. This certainly is deep enough to makes black look really black even though it is set in pitch dark room. Furthermore, with HDR content, its black level is also deep enough to make shadow details looks excellently like the intended.
On the other hand, the native contrast ratio of the Samsung Q8FN is far higher than the Q80R, which is around 5500:1. Additionally, its local dimming is also able to boost its contrast ratio up to around 8000:1. What reached by the Q8FN is really great and there are not many TVs that can beat it. And of course, with around 0.013 nits, black produced by the Q8FN is deeper than what produced by the Q80R. The impact, details of images in a dark scene looks clearer on its screen than the Q80R successor.
While the Samsung Q8FN can produce deeper black than Q80R, on the contrary, overall, the Samsung Q80R can get brighter than Q8FN with both SDR and HDR content. With SDR content, peak brightness reached by the Q8FN is around 550 nits, bright enough to fight the glare in most bright rooms. Furthermore, with test windows, the Q8FN can even reach around 1300 nits on 10% window size, makes the highlight looks standout on its screen. With SDR contents, it can even get brighter. With Real Scene, its peak brightness is around 650 nits. And with test windows, it can reach brighter than 1200 nits on 10 and 25 windows test. When showing all area of scene is bright, its peak brightness may dip to around 500 nits, but this is still bright enough for most bright rooms. This means, although not always, in certain scene, the Q8FN can hit the target 1000 nits the way HDR image should be shown.
The peak brightness of the Samsung Q80R is even brighter. With Real SDR Content, peak brightness reached by the Q80R is around 650 nits, makes it easily fight the glare in most bright rooms. With real HDR images, peak brightness of the Q80R is even outstanding, which is around 900 nits. With test windows, the peak brightness of Q80R is around 1100 nits where it is reached when it is showing a dark scene with around 10% area is bright. Meanwhile, the dimmest peak brightness reached is when it showing through area is bright, which is around 600 nits. And of course, this also makes it easily overcome the glare in most bright rooms. Just like the Q8FN, in certain scene, the Samsung Q80R also can show highlight of HDR images brighter than 1000 nits like the intended by the content’s creator.
In addition the Samsung Q80R can get brighter than Q8FN in both SDR and HDR, performance of its local dimming in minimizing blooming is also better. This is due to the Q80R has more number of dimming zones than the Q8FN. And the result will be more noticeable when it is showing small highlight or bright object in a dark room. Around the small bright object, unwanted adjacent light or blooming will be more noticeable on the screen of Q8FN than Q80R.
Even though both Samsung Q8FN and Q80R are powered by quantum dot technology, but the Samsung Q80R can deliver wider color gamut than Q80R. In DCI P3 uv color space, the color gamut of Q8FN can cover around 99% while Q80R is only around 94%. In DCI P3 xy color space, color gamut of the Q80R can only cover around 90% while the Q8FN can cover around 98%. The result, in some certain color, the color produced by the Q8FN is more saturated than the Q80R. Why the color gamut delivered by the Q80R is not as wide as the Q8FN may be caused by the use of “Ultra Viewing Angle” optical layer on the panel of Q80R.
Additionally, Samsung Q8FN also has better color volume than Q80R. In addition to it has wider color gamut, the local dimming of Q8FN also can do a better job in extending the color gamut produced than the Q80R. But even so, ignoring their difference, in general, the both can show their color gamut at their entire brightness range fairly well, even for dark and bright colors. Just like other LED TVs, they both are not also able to produce very bright blues. In general, colors of HDR images displayed on their screen look very accurate. However, since Q8FN has wider color gamut and better color volume than Q80R, some certain colors can be shown more accurate on the screen of Q8FN than Q80R.
In addition to they have wide color gamut and color gradient, they both also have good color gradient. Although not as good as the competitor like Sony X950G or others, with 10 bit content like HDR images, color gradient of images displayed on their screen looks very smooth. Some imperfections may be still visible in dark shades, particularly in the dark grays and dark greens, but for normal content, this should not be a problem. Special for the Q80R, if you feel the banding still bothersome, you can set the “Digital Clean View” to “Auto”. This will reduce most of bandings, but on the other hand, this will make certain scenes lose some fine details.
Side Viewing Angle
As we have mentioned, Samsung Q80R has “Ultra Viewing Angle” optical layer that is able to improve its side viewing angle coverage. On other hand, as is typical of LED TVS with VA panel, the side viewing angle of the Samsung Q8FN is poor. The result, when viewed from the side, the picture displayed on the screen of Q8FN will look more accurate than Q80R. On the screen of Q8FN, black level will start to raise at around 15 degrees off center and front while on the screen of Q80R, black level is maintained up to 70 degrees. About color reproduction, on the screen of Q8FN, the color will shift started at around 16 degrees while on the screen, color will shift at around 40 degrees. Meanwhile, in maintaining brightness, although Q80R is also a better than Q8FN but their difference is not so significant. On the screen of Q8FN, brightness loss is started at around 35 degrees, on the screen of Q80R, brightness loss is started at around 40 degrees.
The Samsung Q80R has a bit faster pixel response time than the Q8FN. But in general, their pixel response time actually is equally great. With about 12 ms, their pixel response time is low enough to make motion looks very smooth when they are playing fast moving images like sports or fast movies. Following fast moving object, there is only a small blur trail where most people should not notice this much. Meanwhile, the blur that may be still visible is more due to persistence or backlight flicker than their pixel response time. However, both Samsung Q8FN and Q80R also have an optional Black Frame Insertion mode called LED Clear Motion. By set this mode to “On”, this will change its dimming frequency to 60 Hz. This will very helpful to reduce blurs that caused by persistence, particularly when they are playing 60 fps content like sports or video games.
You need to know, to dim their backlight, both Samsung Q8FN and Q80R use PWM (Pulse Width Modulation). But even so, the highest dimming frequency of Q80R is higher where it is reached when the TV is set in “Movie” mode with “Auto Motion Plus” is disabled. In this case, the dimming frequency of Q80R is 960 Hz while Q8FN is 480 Hz. And since their diming frequency is very high, this makes backlight flickers is almost unnoticeable on their screen. But even so, once the “Auto Motion Plus” is to “Auto” or Custom”, their dimming frequency will change to 120 Hz. Additionally, set the TV in other mode like “Standard”, “Dynamic”, “Natural”, “Game”, and “PC” also makes their dimming frequency is always at 120 Hz, except when the “LED Clear Motion is enabled, this will change their dimming frequency to 60 Hz.
By default, both Samsung Q80R and Q8FN have native 120 Hz refresh rate panel. This allows them to interpolate the lower frame rate content up to 120 Hz. Nevertheless, they both also already support FreeSync VRR (Variable Refresh Rate) that allows it to change its refresh rate panel in order to be in sync to the input device’s output. With 4K inputs, their refresh rate can change between 48 Hz – 60 Hz, while with 1080p resolution, their refresh rate can change between 20 Hz to 120 Hz. This feature is very helpful to reduce screen tearing and stuttering, particularly when you are playing a game with a compatible device like X Box One or a device with a compatible AMD Card.
Meanwhile, in handling 24p movies, the Samsung Q80R can do a bit better job than Q8FN. Except 24p movies via 60i signal like movies from satellite TV, their performance is actually similar and equally great. Whether they are playing native 24p movies like Blu-Ray or DVD movies, 24p via 60p signal like movies from streaming device, or 24 content via Streaming apps like Netflix, Amazon Videos, and others, they both can show them clearly and smoothly with judder-free. But even so, when they are playing 24p content via 60i signal, the Q80R can show them with judder-free while the Q8FN cannot. To remove the judder without adding “Soap Opera Effect”, you just need set the “Auto Motion Plus” to “Custom” and both “Blur” and “Judder” Reduction to “0”.
For connecting with other devices, both Samsung Q8FN and Q80R are equipped with the same inputs outputs. They both have 4 HDMI ports where the abilities of their HDMI ports are almost similar. All of their HDMI ports already support HDMI 2.0 Full bandwidth, HDCP 2.2, and CEC. Additionally, one of their HDMI Port (HDMI 4) also already support ARC (Audio Return Channel). Furthermore, their HDMI ports also already support most of input types like 1080p@ 60Hz, 1080p @120 Hz, 1440 @120 Hz, 4K @ 60 Hz, 4K @ 60 Hz @ 4:4:4. A bit advantage of the Q80R than the Q8FN, it already supports 1440p @60 Hz while the Q8FN doesn’t. They both don’t support 4K at 120 Hz input (HFR). In addition to HDMI port, they both have 2 USB ports where all of them are USB 2.0. Additionally, they both also have 1 Tuner IN, 1 Digital Audio Out (Optical), 1 HDMI Ports, and built-in Wi-Fi.
Meanwhile, talking about their input lags, overall, the Samsung Q80R has lower input lags in PC and Game mode than the Q8FN. At 60 Hz, regardless the resolution, the input lags of Q8FN is around 20 ms. Meanwhile, at 120 Hz, regardless the resolution, their input lags is around 10 ms. With VRR, their input lags is even greater where with 1080p and 1440p resolution, its input lags are around 6 ms while with 4K resolution, its input lags are around 15 ms. On the other hand, the input lags of Q80R in PC and Game mode is even lower. AT 60 Hz, regardless the resolution, its input lags is around 15 ms, while at 4K resolution, its input lag is depending on the resolution. With 1080p resolution, its input lag is around 20 ms while with 1440p resolution, its input lag is around 15 ms. With VRR, its input lags is similar to Q8FN where with 1080p and 4K resolution, its input lags are around 6 ms while with 4K resolution, its input lag is around 15 ms. But even so, ignoring the difference, their input lags actually are low enough to make them fast and very responsive when used for playing games, even for fast paced games which require fast reflexes.
|Performance||Samsung Q8FN (2018 Model)||Samsung Q80R (2019 Model)|
As we have discussed a lot above, there are two major points that makes them is different. The first is on their panel. Even though they both use VA panel with Direct led backlighting and Full Array Local Dimming, but the number of dimming zones of Q80R is almost doubled than Q8FN. Additionally, the Q8FN now also come with “Ultra Viewing” Optical Panel that makes it has better side viewing angle than Q80R. But even so, on the other hand, the use of this optical panel slightly expense black level and color gamut produced. The second point is about their picture engine. Samsung Q80R is powered by Quantum Processor 4K that has AI-generated algorithm and machine learning capabilities. On other hand, the Samsung Q8FN is powered by Q Engine. With AI, expected, some features that offered can do better job than Q Engine.
In picture, the Samsung Q80R has better peak brightness and side viewing angle coverage while the Q8FN is superior in black level and color reproduction. This certainly makes the Q8FN is a bit better when used in a dark room and the contrary, the Q80R is a bit better when used in a very bright room. The other advantage of the Q80R, it has better side viewing angle coverage that certainly makes it is better for you who often watch TVs with a group of your family who seat in wide seating. And even though about motion handling and inputs, the Q80R is a bit superior to Q8FN, but its superiority doesn’t have a significant impact on normal usage. Now, the decision comes back to you according to your preferences and need.